and nobody can say anymore that this is the seinfeld election, that it's an election about nothing. this is a substantive, profound disagreement. not only about health care, taxes, spending, economy, jobs and trade, and frankly a lot of moral and cultural issues didn't get discussed last night but i'm sure will be, but it's really about two stark choices for very different futures for america. >> cornell, do you agree with that, that it was the most substantive debate you've seen? >> if you're in a fantasy land, because here, you've got a guy who put out a $5 trillion tax plan and all of a sudden, he disavowed that. you've got a guy who put together a health care plan in massachusetts that we sort of modeled our health care plan off, but all of a sudden, that's fantasy. what you had last night was one of the most clearly blatantly dishonest performances by someone running for the presidency of the united states i think we have ever seen in modern time. >> cornell, appreciate it. ralph, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> coming up, body language speaks volumes in a presidential d